Waging War

I was looking for something to reblog this morning, then lo and behold!

Matthew Winters (Honest Thoughts from a Pastor)

This post will be a big strong, so you might want to put your big boy/girl pants on if you’re easily offended. Maybe you are part of a Christian denomination that downplays spiritual warfare, and this will be uncomfortable to you. If you are a true follower of Christ, some things ought to bother you. I’m not about to get political or rant on a particular sin. That is a waste of time. I do want to provoke us all to do what we are supposed to do and fight the good fight of faith.

If you are a Christian, you are a soldier. The Bible says so in 2 Timothy. So why do we “chillax” when all hell is breaking loose around us? We legislate morality to pastors and small group leaders. We let the schools raise our children while we think about ourselves and what we want when…

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21 responses to “Waging War

  1. Amen. I really appreciated that post. Thanks for reblogging it.

  2. I was just thinking/praying about this very thing when I opened my e-mail and saw your sharing.

  3. I thought Christ comes at the end of time and defeats the Devil. ? Do I fight even though I know the devil won’t be defeated until Christ comes?

  4. Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
    Where there is hatred, let me bring love.
    Where there is offense, let me bring pardon.
    Where there is discord, let me bring union.
    Where there is error, let me bring truth.
    Where there is doubt, let me bring faith.
    Where there is despair, let me bring hope.
    Where there is darkness, let me bring your light.
    Where there is sadness, let me bring joy.
    O Master, let me not seek as much
    to be consoled as to console,
    to be understood as to understand,
    to be loved as to love,
    for it is in giving that one receives,
    it is in self-forgetting that one finds,
    it is in pardoning that one is pardoned,
    it is in dying that one is raised to eternal life.

    And yet it does say in John’s revelation that in the end times that will be all sorts of wars and thinking of wars and rumours of wars.. etc.

    It just sounds like to me such an attitude is warlike. Yes?

    • Ephesians 6:12
      “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].”

      • Yeah we wrestle. But through Christ we may not have to wrestle as much.

        Sure. Be a Crusader. Sounds like John was right.

      • I really think you are missing the point, possibly on purpose. It seems clear you are conflating a spiritual struggle with more temporal ones.

      • I didn’t know there is a difference, I didn’t know that I could separate out the things that I do in this world from my spiritual condition.

        How do you do that?

      • I’m not just saying stuff to make a point, I actually didn’t know that there could be two aspects of me that do not relate to each other somehow. It’s an honest question; how do you distinguish or what exactly are you saying?

      • OK, let’s move beyond all the niceties and see if we can come to a better understanding of what we are talking about by first establishing on what foundation you stand. I don’t waant to waste my limited time playing comment ping pong with someone who only wants to argue. Based on what I have read on your blog, you are a student of philosophy, not Scripture. I could be wrong in my assumptions, but it would appear you might have fit well into the group that brought the apostle Paul up to the Areopagus in order to hear “some new thing” (Acts 17:19-21). However, I could not ascertain from my limited perusal of your blog’s content whether or not you are just a simple atheist.

        Look, I would be more than happy to converse with you about spiritual, biblical, or theological matters should you sincerely desire to hear my opinion. However, if all you want to do is ask “gotcha” questions in order to chip away at my faith – or that of my readers – I don’t have time for that nonsense.

      • I don’t segregate my wonder. I just wonder. I am curious I don’t ask a Satanist a certain set of questions and a Christian a certain set of questions and then a Hindu a certain set of questions in respect to what their faith may be especially if they’re putting out on a public blog ideas.

        If you were harbouring your faith against critique and against questions and you don’t want to discuss what you mean by certain things then I don’t know maybe have a private blog or just be like dude I don’t want to answer these questions. I know there are people out there that would continue to pester you or something like that but I’m not one of those people; you wouldn’t know that though just from our brief interaction. I am interested in what anyone has to say what anyone has to discuss about any topic I am openly curious. I am not open just because I want to hear some new thing ; as you have probably found on my essays I do have views, but in all honesty he I’m looking for someone to engage with honestly, that’s all.

        I was raised Christian and have a pretty good understanding of the faith and the Bible. But I have not ever heard of some worldly self and it’s activity as opposed to spiritual. I was taught it’s all the same soul. I didn’t know we had different duties.

        But yes I do not claim to be a Christian. And you could call me an atheist a pagan or whatever you want but I would not qualify myself by any of those terms or ideas. If you are interested, you might look at some of the comments and discussions I’ve had with Dave at the Bigstoryguide blog. On my site here, We have spent literally years in discussion Christianity religion believe faith philosophy. I think our latest one was on one of the blogs that I have about Anslems argument for the existence of GodI, but it was more concerning the book that I’ve written about the Gospels.

        have never heard Dave once say anything about having my worldly activity is separate from my spiritual activity. Neither was I taught that in catechism nor my first communion nor any point along my childhood and youth Raised ias Christian.

        So whether or not I’m a Christian or not of the faith makes no difference because I fully understand the Bible and in fact Protestant and a lot of Catholic religious belief, and I cannot say that I am up on the certain type of Christianity that says there’s two parts to me that do not answer to God.

        It is an honest question and I don’t think it has anything to do with what faith I have because maybe what you got to say will convince me or allow me to understand how it’s possible because presently I don’t get it.

        I can understand that people want to fight for their faith and I understand what you’re saying but it appears to me not a very Christian ideal. Of course there are all sorts of verses you can take from the bible that talk about wars and stuff like that but I feel the message of Christ is not to go fight someone that you think is against your beliefs. I’m not saying that you can’t have that believe I was just asking where you come up with that, how you reconcile Christ being the way of peace and love and compassion and understanding, and going out and fighting people.

        And then I said it sounds very revelation like because it says they’re in that book that in the end times it will be an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth and then all this nonsense will happen and then Christ will come and will do everything great will happen.

        So there it is.

      • I have a couple of minutes at the computer now that my wife is going to run an errand and leave me here – otherwise she would be here on this computer doing taxes.

        The post that I reblogged – the one by Matthew Winters…on which your are commenting – definitely addressed the subject of spiritual warfare from a cultural, situational, and temporal perspective. With regard to his post, I do believe that there are still battles to be fought with the Enemy, even though, ultimately, he has been defeated. But this is nothing new, nor is it foreign to principles and teachings in the Bible. We are called to be “salt and light” in the earth, and that carries over to the battles for justice and truth in society. We confront poverty, murder, drug abuse, and many other things with not only tangible resources, but with prayer – because we believe there is an Enemy who “seeks to kill and destroy.”

        I do not believe that there are two different me’s. There is my spirit, my soul, my mind, etc., but also this flesh. All make up the “me” that lives in this world. All I do in the flesh in some way or another will affect my spiritual walk, and my spiritual walk/life will affect my physical actions. Christians should not deliniate between secular and sacred, ultimately – for “in Him we live, and move, and have our being.”

        But in response to your overall question of warfare, spiritual conflict has more to do with the struggle to be obedient to Christ, to fulfill His commands, to be the hands and feet of Jesus in the world, than actual taking up arms, beating people over the head, etc. We do fight against a spiritual enemy that desires the souls of men, and that fight will continue until Satan’s time is over. But love, mercy, grace, and compassion should be in the Christian’s arenal of weaponry, especially the weapons of prayer and faith.

        Well, that’s all I can type for now, and I did it as quickly as I could.

      • Ah. I did take it meant to be physically confrontive. It’s another thing if it was meant on a more spiritual front. At that, a kind of communal or congregational front.

        It intrigued me because, you may have read in my posts – or not – I talk about two Routes that are Not reconcilable. So it perked me antennae up because Christians usually reduce into the One.


      • I’ll have to check out your “route” thoughts, especially since I coined the term “Divine Irreconcilability.”

      • So yes. I do want to hear your ideas.

      • Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait until I can get back on my computer – this is too much for an iPhone.

      • Lol. No prob. Have a great day.

  5. The Sister Christian

    Good article Anthony!

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