Jesus Paid It All and the Payment Was Permanent Part One

A guest post by Wally Fry

jesus saves

The question is often asked: Can a person, once saved, ever lose their salvation? The short answer is: NO. The Bible clearly and unequivocally teaches that a person who was truly saved and converted can is eternally secure in that salvation and will never lose it. This is referred to as the Eternal Security of the Believer, Perseverance of the Saints or “Once saved always saved.”

We are going to discuss a lot of material here, so this will be a longish post. We will look at the key passages that support this doctrine; we will look at how Security of the Believer flows naturally from other things we know about Salvation; we will look at at some arguments made against the doctrine and finally we will look at why proper understanding of our security in Jesus Christ matters so much.

First, let’s look at some Scriptures which teach us about the Eternal Security of the Believer.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 10:27-30 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one.

Romans 8:35-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Simply tossing around Bible verses does not necessarily prove anything; out of the proper context, any verse can be used for most any proof. We always have to make sure we quote verses in the full context in which they appear. That would include the context of their chapter as well as the overall story of the Bible. They must be placed in the proper linguistic, historical and cultural context to be fully understood. Simply placing the above verses in the context of things we learn elsewhere in the Bible, it is clear that they teach that one’s salvation can never be lost.

Coming up….Part 2


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46 responses to “Jesus Paid It All and the Payment Was Permanent Part One

  1. Reblogged this on Truth in Palmyra and commented:

    My Wednesday guest post over at The Recovering Legalist
    Comments closed here.
    Blessings and enjoy

  2. Another argument for eternal security is the inability for us to choose to jump out of God’s hand after we are there…as if it is up to us to stay there…as if we could jump out then jump back in then jump back out according to our will…now according to good works and self-performance rather than the Word of God. Scripture says that nothing and no one can remove us out of God’s hand (Jn. 10:28-29)…including ourselves.

    Another good argument is found in the prayer of Jesus in John 17:11…”Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.”

    If believers can lose our salvation, then either this prayer of Jesus is ineffectual, or God didn’t hear it, or God is not capable of answering it. All of these conclusions are unacceptable…are un-scriptural.

    Finally…we need the assurance of eternal security in order to boldly and fearlessly venture out into a God-composed adventure of faith life-script to match the pattern of the narrative stories of faith in the Bible…otherwise why would anyone leave the safety of salvation to risk its loss through a challenging walk of faith that was partially dependent upon our performance?

    • Hi Barton. Thanks for those words, I happen to agree with them all. You said this:

      Finally…we need the assurance of eternal security in order to boldly and fearlessly venture out into a God-composed adventure of faith life-script to match the pattern of the narrative stories of faith in the Bible…otherwise why would anyone leave the safety of salvation to risk its loss through a challenging walk of faith that was partially dependent upon our performance?

      That, though, was the best. I absolutely think the idea of believers falling in and out of salvation is a tool of the devil to do just what you described: take away our freedom to get out in the world and do His work.

  3. Tom

    Thanks, Wally. Those who have accepted Christ trusted in Him as their Savior because the Holy Spirit revealed to them through God’s Word just how sinful they were. They understood there was no possible way to merit Heaven on their own. Just as I cannot merit my salvation, neither can I maintain it because, even though I am born again in Christ, I still have my old sin nature. Since all Christians continue to sin even after their new birth in Christ, what would be the cut-off point at which we lose our salvation? Losing salvation makes sense to works religionists because they see salvation as a reward for obedience. But of course someone who has genuinely accepted Christ will desire to follow the Lord and not flaunt their sin like the….antinomianists!

    • Thank you, Tom, for those excellent words. I still love that last one, and am so glad you put it into my vocabulary. This series is several parts, for easier digesting, but that is one of the things which will be covered. The accusation that security leads to rampant sin is simply a false narrative. I get that some believers act that way, but that is not what our Lord intended, and we don’t ever really get away with it so to speak. There are repercussions, despite the clear fact that our eternity is settled.

      • Tom

        Thanks, brother. I know I’m “preaching to the choir” but some topics really “get my engine running.” I’m so glad the Lord doesn’t have a “trap door” for very imperfect servants like myself. Looking forward to the rest of the series!

      • You can preach to this choir anytime you want too,Tom. We never know who is watching do we?

  4. There is one argument for the security of the believer that I don’t see used very often. Under the law a priest had to be without any physical defect for his offering to be accepted. The Bible says that Jesus is our high priest and we are members of his body. If someone lost his salvation the spiritual body of Jesus would be imperfect, his sacrifice on the cross would be worthless, and no one could be saved. This was the reasoning that convinced me that our salvation is secure. I even made a post on this in my blog.

    • I am gonna head over there now! Thanks Clyde

    • Well, you closed comments! Two thoughts on that.

      One. I like that particular argument, it makes a lot of sense to me and I had not thought of it before.

      Two. I am so glad you came to understand the truth of our security in Jesus. I would hate to live life constantly doubting my status with Him!

  5. All of these verses of the holy bible you base your Salvation on….were written by the Church created by the Apostles the day of Pentecost with spesial canons (rules) that would establish lord Jesus as “head of His body the Church” enabling this way those baptized TO BE REDEEMED FROM ALL SIN (only God can forgive sins) and become MEMBERS OF HIS BODY! [Α Colossians 1:18] “He is the head of his body, the Church; He is the source of the body’s life”
    Most of the Apostles became bishops in order to be of service to Him after He had ascented to his Father!
    Apostles who became Bishops

    Apostolic Succession

    Apostolic succession is the tracing of a direct line of apostolic ordination, Orthodox doctrine, and communion from the Apostles to the current episcopacy of the Orthodox Church. All three elements are constitutive of apostolic succession.
    It is through apostolic succession that the Orthodox Christian Church is the spiritual successor to the original body of believers in Christ (the One Church Ephesians 4:5) that was composed of the Apostles. This succession manifests itself through the unbroken succession of its bishops back to the apostles.
    THe word Ekklesis (Church) is found in the original Greek script the Holy Bible writen 105 times!
    In finishing sir I must inform you that there ws only one Church prerent in the world the first 1054 of Christianity! During the scism that was in violation of Effesians 4:5 the WILL of god was replaced with th will of man. Lord Jesus who is High priest and Mediador to His Father for our Salvation was replaced with the reading of the holy bible!
    Without the Church created by the Apostles begotten by the Holy Spirit the day of Pentecost, life after death will meet the same after life conditions where there was No Hope No salvation! The word Salvation means “Salvation from death” and the word “death” means “the eternal separation of man from God!
    Understanding the Orthodox Christian Faith (the Faith of the Apostles)

    • James, I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment, however lengthy. Looking at your comment, along with some other posts on your blog, I think it’s safe to say we have some disagreements.

      • Antony we also diffrences about what we are looking for as an outcome of our worhip.You are looking to know God philosophically as you can understnd Him by reading about Him in the Holy Bible. The member of the Greek orthodox church are looking to make their selves worthy in order to get to know Him personally. This is known as Salvation!

        There are those today (Mount Athos) who live in not so distant places that have a real-life person to Person relationship with Lord Jesus!
        These humble words that are shared with brotherly love and respect, point out to the kind of relationship man was made to have with our Lord Jesus Christ. The following paragraphs, where taken from the book of Metropolitan Hierotheos of Nafpaktos Entreaty” (Paraklitika), and it is a knowledge that must be shared with all those who have Lord Jesus Christ as their Heavenly Father.
        “Those who have made their selves worthy to see God are the True Theologians. Saint Gregorios the Theologian taught that those who saw God like Apostle Paul can safely theologize, because the sight of God cleanse them from all fantasy, and renders them, true preachers of the truth, making them explicitly different from philosophers and philosophies”.
        This is how the Saints describe their personal experience

        *If the word Salvation does not include the return to the presence of God…what good is it?
        The vision of Divine Light
        This is what Lord Jesus told St. Symeon when He became worthy to His presence in His Divine Light.
        “It is me, God, Who became man for you; and behold that I have made you, as you see, and shall make you god”.
        God bless

      • James, I don’t desire to be short here, but I shall.

        You said:”You are looking to know God philosophically as you can understnd Him by reading about Him in the Holy Bible.”

        It’s a bit presumptuous to say what any other person’s goal is in worship.

        You said: “The member of the Greek orthodox church are looking to make their selves worthy in order to get to know Him personally. This is known as Salvation!”

        Actually, that(if you use the Bible as the source), is a heresy.

        Having said that, you don’t realy appear to be looking for actual back and forth conversation, but to preach sermons using your own self created doctrines.

        Peace, and may you come to salvation as The Bible tells it, and not through the efforts of you own works, which are and always will be unworthy. By grace, through faith is the only way.

        Peace out.

      • James, I wish I was at a computer keyboard, not my iPhone. I’m literally in a hospital room 4 hours from my home – I had a heart attack and had to receive 3 stents. But, thankfully, I’ll be going home tomorrow after being here since Friday.

        What bothers me, among other things, is that you seem to misunderstand what I believe, thereby creating a false impression of my relationship with Jesus. Without going into detail at this point, knowing Jesus experientially, having a personal relationship with Him, is indispensable to what we believe is biblical salvation. Salvation is not earned or worked toward, but it is the result of what putting our faith in the Person and work of Christ accomplishes in our lives. We grow in sanctification, but our salvation is immediate based on the finished work of Jesus upon the cross and His resurrection. But to the point, we do not earn, but are given the right to be called children of God whereby we can call Him “Abba, Father” (Rom. 8:14; Gal. 4:6). This is not a philosophical relationship; we are adopted into the family of God.

      • Exactly. You just said it more patiently than me. How are you?

      • I’m doing well. I mean, I could have been dead, but I’m among the living. However, I have one pill of which one of the doctors told me, “Take it every day, or you’ll die. Period.” Alrighty then.

      • Well, that’s a pretty clear instruction!

      • I hope you get well soon my brother. Iam not doupting your love an devotion to Christ Iam am simply looking to see that you get what you truly deserve which is union with God and Salvation.There were pregonditions set ONCE AND FOR ALL for Salvation set by the Holy Spirit 2000 years ago. In shortThe Church was created by the Holy Spirit as a therapeutic institution 2000 years ago to cure man of sin in order to aid him to return to to the presence of Creator God. [Mathew5:8] “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God”.
        After His Ascension Lord Jesus (God Logos) became the “head of His body the Church”. A head is a head of a body, and a body is a body belonging to a head in a way they are undivided. Lord Jesus/God Logos became the high priest of His Body the Church after ascending to His Father.
        [Hebrews 4: 14] “For we have a great Priest who has gone into the very presence of God” He became High Priest and Mediator to His Father enabling those baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit within TO BE REDEEMED FROM ALL SIN, to purify the heart (only God can forgive sins) and become MEMBERS OF A BODY
        [Α Colossians 1:18] “He is the head of his body, the Church; He is the source of the body’s life” During Baptism a person receives the gifts of the Holy Spirit however it is up to each and every individual to energize them or set them in motion at will based on their greatest gift from God which is their freedom.
        In the absence of the Church creaded by the Apostles life after death will eet the same conditions as before the coming of our Lord and the creation of His Church where there was no hope no Salvation.
        Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
        What is Orthodox Christianity?

    • Hi James

      I concur with bro Anthony in that we likely don’t see eye to eye on what you have just said.

      I am all for a good conversation, but I do like to ask commenters to address the actual content of a post, rather than just taking the chance here to write their own post about something not so much related to what was written originally

      Thanks and blessings to you.

      • You don’t care of the fact that the Apostles became bishops?
        You don’;t care of the fact that if it was not for the scism you and I would have been praysing god the same way?
        You dont care of the fact tht the Church created by the Apostles delivered the holy Bible as an Ekklisiastic book alone startin with the Gospel of Mark the years 60AC?

      • Ok look friend. I might very well care about all of that. I never said I did not. I would appreciate you not creating a false narrative concerning what I say or feel.

        Again. I might care about all that. The problem is that this post is not about that, and I don’t plan on having that conversation on this post.

        If you persist in having it, then you are not conversing with us here; you are preaching your own agenda. I suggest you might use your own blog for that?

        Thanks and blessings.

  6. As I go way ,
    I only wrote to you because of my admiration of your love and dedication to Lord Jesus, however knowledge does nor provide Salvation obedience does.
    The Truth (the reason we go to Church) as known by those seeking Christ in His Church for the past 2000 years!
    The vision of Divine Light (God)
    This is what Lord Jesus told St. Symeon when He became worthy to His presence in His divine Light.
    “It is me, God, Who became man for you; and behold that I have made you, as you see, and shall make you god”.

    God bless

    • Peace and God bless to you.

      • Wally, there is only lifetime by which you can achieve union with God and theosis known as Eternal life! Allow no one or no persons stand in your way!
        Understanding the Orthodox Christian Faith

    • Thanks. Only one point, and if you want to discuss it, feel free to go back in this series and find the appropriate post. Salvation is NOT by obedience. God’s Word that you say was provided by the Orthodox church, clearly states that salvation is by grace, through faith, and NOT of works. Obedience is clearly the result of the salvation granted, not the cause of the salvation.

      As I said, go back a few posts and you might find some reading which would resolve your unclearness on this clearly taught doctrine.

      • Thanks for your comments, Wally – and your guest posts, too! For some reason I am not getting notified of comments to your posts – like I mentioned to you – but it’s not only a problem with my iPhone app; it’s here, also. When i click on my notification bell on the top right corner, nothing shows up regarding this thread. I don’t understand it, either.

        That being said, I wonder how many comments I have missed from your other posts?

        Concerning this whole “Orthodox” thing, it is interesting and important to note how different (and I believe biblical) the doctrine you and I hold to, that of the autonomy of the local church and the priesthood of the believer (1 Peter 2:9). We do not subscribe to Apostolic succession, if for no other reason that the Apostles made it perfectly clear in Acts 1:21-23 what constituted a true apostle. Even if the apostles had passed on the mantle of leadership within each place each one was a bishop, the inspired authority would not have been passed along with temporal authority, therefore leaving these successors with no more authority over the Body of Christ (the Church) than any other bishop, elder, or pastor.

        I did a quick search of some Greek Orthodox websites and came upon that of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, where a reading clearly asks for St. Symeon to “intercede with Him to grant mercy unto us who honour thee (presumably St. Symeon).” Romans 8:34, Hebrews 7:25, and 1 John 2:1 clearly indicate that it is Jesus Christ who intercedes for us before the Father, not man. Therefore, as we differentiate ourselves from Roman Catholic teaching, we must also differentiate from Greek Orthodox teaching.

      • That’s great information you just posted bro Anthony, thanks for taking the time to gather it.

        I will tell you what I do on blogs where I want to follow comments, which is actually a lot. If you go into your reader, then manage…you can select blogs you want to get e mail notifications from when a comment is made on them. I tend to forget to go check blogs I want to follow comments on, and never get around to it. It means I get tons of e mails, but I have gotten good at quick skimming through them to zero in on what I actually want.

        Back to the post, what really disturbed me was the statement that our obedience saves us. Not to be simplistic, but that is absurd. In a nutshell, if our obedience saves us, then the death of Jesus was the most heinous mistake in the history of the world.

      • DEar brother
        (John 14:21) “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him”.

        The purpose of the coming of Lord Jesus was to bring the type Therapy for man (Holy Tradition) that would enable him physically to be able to return to the presence of God. [Mathew5:8] “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God”.

        Before the coming of Christ and the therapy of His Church man was not able to stand in the presence of God and live.
        [Exodus 33:20] “And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live”.

        Lord Jesus becomes the first born from the dead in order to create a new beginning by being the head of the body the the Church. (Colossians 1.18) “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence”.
        Those being able to return to the presence of God (Paradise) are those who have gone to the therapy by participating to the Holy Sacraments of the Church delivered by the Holy Spirit during Pentecost. These Christians were actually to become New Creations or a New Human being if you like by the Grace of God never seen or earth or the heaven before. This is how Paul describes this new way of being (Sainthood). [Gal 2:20] “So that it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me” The Christ part living in Paul makes him a godman by the Grace of God a way of being also described by the Holy Fathers of the Greek Orthodox Church as the Overcoming of Mortality, the New Adam, being Holy [1 Peter 1, 16], and Eternal Life.

        There was only one Christian Church in the world the first 1054 years of Christianity for the Therapy of man. The “new churches ” that showed up after the schism replaced the Divine begotten Therapy begotten by the Holy Spirit with the inventions of their own mind making Salvation or Eternal Life impossible for them. “Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live”

        A Word About Church History
        (Ephesians 4, 5) “One Church One Faith One Baptism”

        Scholars estimate there are over 2600 groups today who lay claim to being the Church, or at least the direct descendants of the Church described in the New Testament. Repeat: 2600!
        But for the first thousand years of her history the Church was essentially one. Five historic Patriarchal centers-Jerusalem; Antioch, Rome, Alexandria, and Constantinople- formed a cohesive whole and were in full communion with each other. There were occasional heretical or schismatic groups going their own way, to be sure; but the Church was unified until the 11th century. Then, in events culminating in A.D.1054, the Roman Patriarch pulled away from the other four, pursuing his long-developing claim of universal headship of the Church.

        Today, nearly a thousand years later, the other four Patriarchates remain intact, in full communion, maintaining that Orthodox apostolic faith of the inspired New Testament record and (Ephesians 4, 5) “One Church, One Faith and One Baptism”. The Orthodox Church and her history is described herein, from Pentecost to the present day.

        Lord Jesus did not come to teach philosophically but THERAPEUTICALLY. (to cure man from sin to enable him this way back to the presence of God! – The Foundations of Orthodox Psychotherapy
        God bless

  7. No, our obedience doesn’t save us. But Jesus did say “If you love me keep my commandments.” That does seem to mean the converse, “If you don’t keep my commandments then you don’t love me.” And I find it hard to believe that God will let people into heaven who don’t love his Son.

    • Hi Lester thanks for visiting. On the surface I have no disagreement with that. I would say that disobedience could be a sign of no real relationship with Jesus. To a point. Obedience not only never saves us, it does nothing to maintain our salvation either. If Jesus has saved us, our love for Him should indeed produce obedience.

    • Hey Lester you might be interested in knowing that we have a fairly substantial Mennonite community right here in Southeast Arkansas

  8. Ummm…. So we have the free will to accept the gift of salvation but don’t have the free will to reject it again? Generally the comeback to that is that the person was never “really saved” to begin with. But that gets right back into legalism and the perilous path of human interpretation of God’s will. Fortunately it’s not our decision to make.

    • Hi thanks for coming by. Not sure exactly what you mean there, as I’m not really sure who you were addressing. You seemed to be disagreeing with somebody, but I’m not sure who. The specific thing you seemed to have an issue with never was said, in the post, or in any comment. I do agree that God never lets his children go. Stay with this series and I think you will enjoy..

    • Yes, as Wally said, thanks for taking the time to drop by and leave a comment – and I do hope you will keep coming back. When I spoke with Wally about your comment I noted that it was a little difficult to determine from where you were coming. My feeling is that you might have your stakes in the Calvinist camp, but I could be wrong.

      You asked: “So we have the free will to accept the gift of salvation but don’t have the free will to reject it again?” As I see it, that’s exactly right. However, in order to dive into the depth of this truth, one must be careful not to mix his analogies. Salvation is a “free gift” of God, available to “whosoever may come.” But eternal security is a doctrine that goes beyond the simple acceptance of a free gift to the analogies of covenant, adoption, and re-birth.

      Now, as to the legalism part, it is certainly dangerous to judge someone else’s salvation – for only God can see the heart. However, I do think the “really saved” argument is a good partial explanation for why some people seem to get born again, yet end up rejecting Christ somewhere down the road. As you should know, there are false conversions, so the argument does support some weight.

      As long as the conversation doesn’t go the way of the typical Calvinism/Arminianism debates (where opposing sides wind up trying to call down fire on each other), I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts.

      Again, thanks for stopping by. P.S., Have you seen any of my Monday Monkey videos? Just wondering 😉

      • Sorry for not making myself clear. I am definitely NOT in the Calvinist camp. I agree that there are likely false conversions but I also believe that free will means free will. So the result of that may be the subsequent rejection of the conversion. While it may be fun to sit around the campfire and debate this kind of stuff I tend to view theology and doctrine more as dividing the faithful instead of uniting them. I tend to agree with James that doing the faith is a more effective means of communication.

      • I have many beloved friends who see things differently than me on different issues, eternal security being one. Believe it or not, I’ve even got close friends who speak/pray in tongues 🙂 Yet, even with these disagreements, we realize we are still brothers and sisters in the family of God. Heresy is one thing, but some of these other things are not. It’s good to know what you believe and why, but to do it without love – love for the Body – what good is a well-argued doctrine? So, if we do disagree, may any further discussion be always done with grace, then it will be OK.

        Thanks for the comment.

      • Hey Boomer, good to see you again. Thanks for clearing things up there. . I would disagree with some of what you said, but would also admit you could probably state a pretty good case even Biblically for your position. I could certainly state mine. So…who is right? Well I suppose someday we will know. Especially online I have friend and brothers and sisters from many doctrinal backgrounds. In fact, several of us all attended church together once, didn’t we bro Anthony?

  9. I have tried explain this to others until I’m quite rxhausted. Those two single words – “truly” & “if” – are the key.

    “True” belief…as our Lord said IF you TRULY believe, you will follow My commandments (and not just the Famous 10, but “every word that proceed out of the mouth if G-d”).

    I detest when someone has the unmitigated gall to look me in the eye and tell me that they are Christian and that as a ‘woman of the cloth’ I am required to forgive them for what they did to so-and-so (this from both an abuser and then a pedophike)…and then quote Scripture to me to back it up.

    I don’t claim expert starus, but I pray for discernment when I study; that one prayer has resulted in words fairly jumping out at me from Scripture. Words like Truly and If and Then.

    And I have learned that If you Truly believe, Then you will find quantifiers and qualifications all throughout the Word. And IF everyone TRULY believed, THEN there would be worlwide peace. But only IF we all followed all of His commandments.

    Just sayin’.

    (great post, btw)

    • Thanks much for the visit and comment and I hope we will see you again.

    • (to clarify, I tell those who seek forgiveness that I can forgive them for what they do to me and guide them to Salvation. I can even approach Him in intercessory prayer for such, but they must seek forgiveness from their victims as well, for I have no authority or control another’s pain. Even Salvation has a requirement…just one…but that one requirement cannot be taken lightly.)

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